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		<title>By: Cutthroat Stalker (Scott)</title>
		<link>http://scarles.org/blog/cutthroat-stalker/2017/things-men-have-made/comment-page-1/#comment-1781</link>
		<dc:creator>Cutthroat Stalker (Scott)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most things created by a family member, and given to me (especially by my kids), I have a real hard time throwing it away. I&#039;ve never really examined why that is, but it might have something to do with this &quot;life&quot; that is in it: they have created something which takes on part of their life, and then I throw it away--I thow away part of them. Should I feel guilty about tossing out a note my daughter wrote to me? 

I have a little two-ball snowman sitting on my desk right now. It has permanent marker eyes (its right one is nearly gone--just a smudge leaving it winking at me in some Tim Burtonesque way), mouth, nose and buttons. Its head and body are misshapen chunks of fired clay painted white. This is one ugly snowman. But, on the bottom is carved &quot;Scott - 1972&quot;). I remember making this when I was seven. I would never depart with it now. I thank my mom for being a hoarder of all things her children made. What happens when I die? What story can I leave with this ugly thing--I made this at school? It&#039;s not even a story. It&#039;s the feeling I have now for the thing. Why do I even have this feeling? Because it&#039;s something I made? Because it&#039;s old? Because my mom thought it would be something I would like to remember later in life? I don&#039;t know, and I don&#039;t know how to express that to those I might leave it for later.

Have you ever helped someone clean up a deceased person&#039;s stuff? And think, &quot;Why did they keep this crap?&quot; Some people are true hoarders, keeping everything. But what about the personal mementos? I have a real hard time throwing away a dead person&#039;s stuff because I feel guilty that I&#039;m tossing something of meaning, of worth. Is that bizarre, or what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most things created by a family member, and given to me (especially by my kids), I have a real hard time throwing it away. I&#8217;ve never really examined why that is, but it might have something to do with this &#8220;life&#8221; that is in it: they have created something which takes on part of their life, and then I throw it away&#8211;I thow away part of them. Should I feel guilty about tossing out a note my daughter wrote to me? </p>
<p>I have a little two-ball snowman sitting on my desk right now. It has permanent marker eyes (its right one is nearly gone&#8211;just a smudge leaving it winking at me in some Tim Burtonesque way), mouth, nose and buttons. Its head and body are misshapen chunks of fired clay painted white. This is one ugly snowman. But, on the bottom is carved &#8220;Scott &#8211; 1972&#8243;). I remember making this when I was seven. I would never depart with it now. I thank my mom for being a hoarder of all things her children made. What happens when I die? What story can I leave with this ugly thing&#8211;I made this at school? It&#8217;s not even a story. It&#8217;s the feeling I have now for the thing. Why do I even have this feeling? Because it&#8217;s something I made? Because it&#8217;s old? Because my mom thought it would be something I would like to remember later in life? I don&#8217;t know, and I don&#8217;t know how to express that to those I might leave it for later.</p>
<p>Have you ever helped someone clean up a deceased person&#8217;s stuff? And think, &#8220;Why did they keep this crap?&#8221; Some people are true hoarders, keeping everything. But what about the personal mementos? I have a real hard time throwing away a dead person&#8217;s stuff because I feel guilty that I&#8217;m tossing something of meaning, of worth. Is that bizarre, or what?</p>
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		<title>By: Cutthroat Stalker (Scott)</title>
		<link>http://scarles.org/blog/cutthroat-stalker/2017/things-men-have-made/comment-page-1/#comment-1780</link>
		<dc:creator>Cutthroat Stalker (Scott)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, 

Art--heavy topic...not sure I&#039;m willing to bite that off at the moment.

I really like that dichotomy between &quot;handed down&quot; and &quot;found,&quot; and how the life got there. 

I especially like that idea of finding something and giving it life simply through our thoughts, but also based on the crafter&#039;s care in the crafting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, </p>
<p>Art&#8211;heavy topic&#8230;not sure I&#8217;m willing to bite that off at the moment.</p>
<p>I really like that dichotomy between &#8220;handed down&#8221; and &#8220;found,&#8221; and how the life got there. </p>
<p>I especially like that idea of finding something and giving it life simply through our thoughts, but also based on the crafter&#8217;s care in the crafting.</p>
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		<title>By: Cutthroat Stalker (Scott)</title>
		<link>http://scarles.org/blog/cutthroat-stalker/2017/things-men-have-made/comment-page-1/#comment-1779</link>
		<dc:creator>Cutthroat Stalker (Scott)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erik, I liked the &quot;lore&quot; idea here--evokes a lot of thoughts. Makes me think of &quot;craft.&quot; Things handed down (lore) and things made (craft). Brings about the idea of apprentice as well--taking the time to really learn and know ones vocation/avocation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erik, I liked the &#8220;lore&#8221; idea here&#8211;evokes a lot of thoughts. Makes me think of &#8220;craft.&#8221; Things handed down (lore) and things made (craft). Brings about the idea of apprentice as well&#8211;taking the time to really learn and know ones vocation/avocation.</p>
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		<title>By: Wildnative</title>
		<link>http://scarles.org/blog/cutthroat-stalker/2017/things-men-have-made/comment-page-1/#comment-1778</link>
		<dc:creator>Wildnative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then I had this thought: My grandpa once made me a very simple willow branch whistle. That thing was full of life. At the time it was meaningful and though I never kept it, the thought of it brings to rememberance his life and caring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then I had this thought: My grandpa once made me a very simple willow branch whistle. That thing was full of life. At the time it was meaningful and though I never kept it, the thought of it brings to rememberance his life and caring.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Williamson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Williamson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,
I&#039;m not sure how one puts &quot;life&quot; into something other than maybe in the care with which he builds or creates something. That may come down to asking the question, what is quality and what is art? And who appreciates it and why appreciate it?

If something is handed down with a story, then the remembering of the story may add the life. If something is &quot;found&quot; and no story is attached, then the wondering of who made/created it may add the &quot;life.&quot; This may be especially true if the object is found to be made with care--signifying work of quality and art.

Just thinking out loud here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,<br />
I&#8217;m not sure how one puts &#8220;life&#8221; into something other than maybe in the care with which he builds or creates something. That may come down to asking the question, what is quality and what is art? And who appreciates it and why appreciate it?</p>
<p>If something is handed down with a story, then the remembering of the story may add the life. If something is &#8220;found&#8221; and no story is attached, then the wondering of who made/created it may add the &#8220;life.&#8221; This may be especially true if the object is found to be made with care&#8211;signifying work of quality and art.</p>
<p>Just thinking out loud here.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Helm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik Helm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,
Beautifully done. Putting life into it. Lore.
I guess what we really do is to place a bit of our personality in all of our makings, both concrete and prose.
The Lawrence poem was a perfect compliment.
Art. Beauty. Life. Creation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,<br />
Beautifully done. Putting life into it. Lore.<br />
I guess what we really do is to place a bit of our personality in all of our makings, both concrete and prose.<br />
The Lawrence poem was a perfect compliment.<br />
Art. Beauty. Life. Creation.</p>
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		<title>By: Cutthroat Stalker (Scott)</title>
		<link>http://scarles.org/blog/cutthroat-stalker/2017/things-men-have-made/comment-page-1/#comment-1775</link>
		<dc:creator>Cutthroat Stalker (Scott)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 02:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, I&#039;m glad you focused on the Lawrence poem, which is where my thoughts really were. I have often thought about that transfer of something from writer to reader and talk to my students about that. But I really like the idea of &quot;remembered men&quot; instead of forgotten. How can those who have transferred their touch and life into something, ever be forgotten? What things do we cherish without really recognizing the creator of that thing, whether it be words, objects or ideas? In the first strophe of another of Lawrence&#039;s poems, &quot;Whatever Man Makes,&quot; he says,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Whatever man makes and makes it live
lives because of the life put into it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which seems at first glance obvious, but the question for me is, How does one put &quot;life&quot; into the things one makes? How do I imbue my writing or my woodwork or whatever I make, with life? How do I know when I have successfully put life into it?

Surely these are things to think about along with your thoughts.

I was also thinking about the &quot;making&quot; of tying flies, but thought I&#039;d save that for another post along with another of Lawrence&#039;s poems titled &quot;Things Made by Iron.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, I&#8217;m glad you focused on the Lawrence poem, which is where my thoughts really were. I have often thought about that transfer of something from writer to reader and talk to my students about that. But I really like the idea of &#8220;remembered men&#8221; instead of forgotten. How can those who have transferred their touch and life into something, ever be forgotten? What things do we cherish without really recognizing the creator of that thing, whether it be words, objects or ideas? In the first strophe of another of Lawrence&#8217;s poems, &#8220;Whatever Man Makes,&#8221; he says,</p>
<blockquote><p>Whatever man makes and makes it live<br />
lives because of the life put into it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which seems at first glance obvious, but the question for me is, How does one put &#8220;life&#8221; into the things one makes? How do I imbue my writing or my woodwork or whatever I make, with life? How do I know when I have successfully put life into it?</p>
<p>Surely these are things to think about along with your thoughts.</p>
<p>I was also thinking about the &#8220;making&#8221; of tying flies, but thought I&#8217;d save that for another post along with another of Lawrence&#8217;s poems titled &#8220;Things Made by Iron.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Wildnative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wildnative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice. Have you also considered that the things you write have &quot;soft life&quot; in them and will be cherished by those who have them when you are gone? They will transfer a different touch. A touch transferred through word, to eyes, to brain, to heart. Another glowing, but not of forgotten men, but remembered men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice. Have you also considered that the things you write have &#8220;soft life&#8221; in them and will be cherished by those who have them when you are gone? They will transfer a different touch. A touch transferred through word, to eyes, to brain, to heart. Another glowing, but not of forgotten men, but remembered men.</p>
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		<title>By: Cutthroat Stalker (Scott)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cutthroat Stalker (Scott)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ER, Ouch, that had to hurt (not the rod, but the repercussions?). At least it was broken on a fish and not in a bike crash or something--you had to get some kudos for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ER, Ouch, that had to hurt (not the rod, but the repercussions?). At least it was broken on a fish and not in a bike crash or something&#8211;you had to get some kudos for that.</p>
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		<title>By: EcoRover</title>
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		<dc:creator>EcoRover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 05:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work on the heirloom chest. Gramps had an old Heddon flyrod with a Martin automatic reel. He had switched to glass and kept the old cane rod in the pantry. I snuck it out one afternoon after school (2nd grade) and broke it through the butt trying to hoist a buffalo fish (carp-like native of the Alleghenies) over the Elm St bridge...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work on the heirloom chest. Gramps had an old Heddon flyrod with a Martin automatic reel. He had switched to glass and kept the old cane rod in the pantry. I snuck it out one afternoon after school (2nd grade) and broke it through the butt trying to hoist a buffalo fish (carp-like native of the Alleghenies) over the Elm St bridge&#8230;</p>
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